Whatever Happened To Dennis Fire Engines?

A Dennis Sabre of Dublin's Fire Brigade

1910 Dennis N Type

a Dennis fire engine c.1910 in the livery of Reading Fire Brigade. Photo: Surrey County Council Archive

To people of a certain age, the name Dennis is synonymous with shiny red fire engines, and has been so for almost the whole of the 20th century. And yet this iconic vehicle has quietly all but disappeared from Britain’s streets, other than as guest appearances in TV dramas. Dennis have not made a fire engine for several years: so what happened to this once-familiar sight?

Dennis traditionally supplied around 50% of the UK’s annual purchase of fire engines, typically around 100 per year. Whilst not a large number, when combined with Dennis’s other specialised chassis products, such as refuse collection vehicles and buses, the steady profitability of the company was almost assured. Indeed, a dip in the annual market for one of the three product lines was often balanced by a corresponding increase in volume elsewhere.

Fire engine manufacture was thus a key part of the Dennis portfolio. Chassis were assembled at Guildford, with the highly specialised and purpose-designed cabs being built at the Dennis Blackpool factory alongside their refuse vehicle cabs. The Blackpool plant was originally owned by Duple Coachworks, and used construction techniques suited to the low volumes of both products. Matters began to change in the mid 1990’s however, as bus chassis production ramped up, initially due to the incredible success of the Dennis Dart midi bus which was followed swiftly by the low-floor Trident 2 and 3 double deck ranges.

Dennis Sabre

A Dennis Sabre operated by Tyne & Wear. Photo ADL

The rapid growth in vehicle volumes and profitability led in late 1998 to an unwelcome takeover by the Mayflower Corporation. Mayflower, who already owned Alexanders, one of the major bus bodybuilders, who fancied that they could grow the combined business to still headier levels. They saw little future in Refuse Vehicles, where volumes at that point being at a low ebb, and offloaded the Refuse Vehicle business in 1999.

Ironically, in reality the groundwork put into developing the Elite refuse collection chassis whilst the company was in Dennis ownership meant that sales of the Elite prospered post-Mayflower, and indeed the Dennis Eagle business, as it became under its new ownership, never looked back. Old loyalties to the original Dennis Guildford business meant however that the fire engine cabs continued to be produced at Blackpool very successfully.

Mayflower however had over-extended themselves financially to buy the Dennis business – renamed ‘Transbus International’ and were unable to achieve their expected returns, to nobodies surprise but their own, and with similar financial issues in other parts of their Corporation, they collapsed into administration in March 2004. The remnants of the Dennis bus, coach & fire business were then bought by three Scottish private investors, to become Alexander Dennis Ltd (ADL) with fire and rescue activities becoming a subsidiary part of that group.

A Dennis Sabre of Dublin's Fire Brigade

A Dennis Sabre of Dublin’s Fire Brigade

Whilst ADL senior management wanted to concentrate on bus production, they were not opposed to the continuation of fire engine chassis production and the two key fire products, Rapier and Sabre, thus continued in production under ADL. However, with the passage of time, old loyalties between Dennis Eagle and the remaining Dennis Fire staff within ADL declined, not least because many key people were lost with the massive redundancies of staff following the demise of Mayflower. Eventually Dennis Eagle found the continued production of fire engine cabs in unpredictable penny numbers just too much of an inconvenience, and advised ADL that they were unable to produce cabs in batch quantities of less than 25 identical cabs.

This put ADL in an impossible position, since fire engine orders were typically received in much smaller quantities, and could involve many different cab variants. ADL Sales, Engineering & Purchasing staff fought a sterling rearguard action, first attempting to persuade Dennis Eagle to relax their stance, and when that failed, then seeking to get the cab manufactured by other specialist contractors. That however proved prohibitively expensive. The feasibility of fitting cabs from other vehicle manufacturers was even investigated, but this option was abandoned as it was felt that it would eliminate one of the key benefits of the Dennis fire product – namely the uniquely purpose-designed cab.

The final measure was to attempt to amalgamate orders from the Brigades to achieve the 25 vehicle minimum order quantity, however this foundered because Brigade ordering schedules were driven by their budgets, and could not be changed. To the dismay of many Brigades, including West Midlands and Tyne & Wear, the last Dennis Sabre chassis was quietly and unceremoniously produced in 2007. Many brigades (as most people like to still refer them as) regarded the Rapier, Sabre and Sabre XL as the finest fire fighting appliances ever produced – they were renowned for their performance and handling.

All was not entirely lost. John Dennis – the grandson of one of the founders of the Dennis empire bought out the fire body-building business from Dennis Specialist Vehicles in 1985, allowing DSV to produce appliances based on other manufacturers chassis. Thus the ‘body-building’ element of Dennis still continues to manufacture in Guildford for the world’s fire-fighters, under the brand of JDC or John Dennis Coachworks.

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9 Comments on "Whatever Happened To Dennis Fire Engines?"

  1. Hi.I am now a 59 year old Fire Fighter from Cape Town South Africa. When I started my fire fighting career in 1979 the entire fleet of pumps were Dennis. Today we have and entire fleet of MAN trucks. They are so high off the ground it is difficult to mount and they so unstable when responding because of the height.

    • Andy Goundry | 21/04/2019 at 10:13 pm | Reply

      Hi Trevor, pleased to hear from you. It’s always interesting to get the views of those who used our vehicles, and to be reminded of how good they were. It’s just such a shame that we were not able to continue to keep making them. Best regards,


  2. I used to live in Ellesmere Port in Cheshire. Our Fire Brigade was near the bus station and had one of those fire engines. It used to be sat there ready to go, all bright and shiny red. I thought the firemen had named it Dennis. I didn’t realise it was the name of the company till I was grown up and my sister told me. Loved those fire engines, they are an icon. Long live Dennis.

  3. alaa hashim Al-ani | 31/10/2018 at 11:43 pm | Reply

    Dear Sir,

    May I kindly have the number of Mr. John smith the managing director of hestair dennis,
    I want to talk to him with respect to him

  4. Jabulani Nkomo | 01/06/2018 at 7:42 am | Reply

    How I love these red shiny Dennis machines

  5. jabulani Nkomo | 01/06/2018 at 7:39 am | Reply

    Love these red shiny Dennis machines

  6. Might be scope here for an article on other British fire appliance/specialist manufacturers who are still going, eg Carmichael. As Top Gear recently demonstrated, there are a lot of British specialist/commercial vehicle manufacturers still going who rarely get a mention these days.

  7. Spencer payne | 06/10/2013 at 8:45 pm | Reply

    I loved the Dennis dustcarts, especially the more than appropriately named ‘Vulture’ model……….lovely !

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